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单手换双手以及双手换单手到底是什么动作?
« 于: 2024-07-08, 周一 22:30:52 »
单手握持单手武器时将其切换为双手使用,是什么动作?双手握持单手武器切换为单手使用呢?
双手武器换成用单手提着是什么动作?

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Re: 单手换双手以及双手换单手到底是什么动作?
« 回帖 #1 于: 2024-07-08, 周一 23:11:06 »
自由动作     借机攻击     页码
拿出物品(22)     否
22 你可以将包括你携带着(不是穿戴着并提供盾牌加值)的盾牌在内任何你携带着的物品扔下,扔到你所占用的空间或一个邻接的方格。
拿着的东西扔下是自由,放开武器和松手差不多,也应该是自由,双切单不就是松一只手?
单手切换成双手我记得有认为是移动?换手是移动动作,将另一只松开的手在握回来我觉得也应该是移动。

移动动作      借机攻击      页码
控制非战斗用坐骑(DC20骑术检定)      是      88
匍匐移动5尺(10)      是      91
指明或更改法术目标      否      134
擒抱中拔出轻型武器(11)      否      61
拔出武器(12)       否      -
伏击后隐蔽(Hide after sniping?)      否      92
装填手弩,轻弩或投石索(13)      是      -
做侦查或聆听检定      否      114
乘上坐骑或下坐骑      否      88
移动(14)      是      90
指出踪迹的方向      否      115
开或关门      否      -
捡起物品      是      -
推或拉动重物      是      47
准备或放下盾牌(15)      否      -
取出存储中的物品(Retrieve stored item?)      是      -
收起武器      是      -
鞭策坐骑      否      89
从俯卧中站起      是      35
交换持物的手      否      -
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Re: 单手换双手以及双手换单手到底是什么动作?
« 回帖 #2 于: 2024-07-16, 周二 21:13:14 »
自由动作。
faq:

Can a character with Quick Draw and a base attack
bonus of +6 or better make a melee attack with one weapon
and a ranged attack with another weapon in the same
round? What if the melee weapon requires two hands to
wield?
...
This situation is actually improved if the melee weapon is a
two-handed weapon. A character can hold a two-handed
weapon in one hand; he just can’t attack with it while it’s held
like that. Thus, he wouldn’t even have to drop the weapon in
order to draw and throw the dagger. If Krusk the 6th-level
barbarian had Quick Draw, he could swing his greataxe (using
his full base attack bonus), then leave the axe in his off-hand
while drawing a javelin with his primary hand (free action), and
finally throw the javelin (using his base attack bonus –5). If
Krusk were drawing a ranged weapon that required two hands
to use (such as a bow), he’d have to drop his greataxe.

Can a creature make a slam or claw attack when both
his hands are used for something else, such as holding a
two-handed weapon?
As long as the creature can easily let go with one hand, yes.
A two-handed weapon requires two hands to wield in combat,
but not to hold. A frost giant could choose to make a slam
attack instead of a greataxe attack without having to drop the
greataxe.
...
« 上次编辑: 2024-07-16, 周二 21:15:12 由 lsr »

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Re: 单手换双手以及双手换单手到底是什么动作?
« 回帖 #3 于: 2024-07-16, 周二 23:26:48 »
自由动作。
faq:

Can a character with Quick Draw and a base attack
bonus of +6 or better make a melee attack with one weapon
and a ranged attack with another weapon in the same
round? What if the melee weapon requires two hands to
wield?
...
This situation is actually improved if the melee weapon is a
two-handed weapon. A character can hold a two-handed
weapon in one hand; he just can’t attack with it while it’s held
like that. Thus, he wouldn’t even have to drop the weapon in
order to draw and throw the dagger. If Krusk the 6th-level
barbarian had Quick Draw, he could swing his greataxe (using
his full base attack bonus), then leave the axe in his off-hand
while drawing a javelin with his primary hand (free action), and
finally throw the javelin (using his base attack bonus –5). If
Krusk were drawing a ranged weapon that required two hands
to use (such as a bow), he’d have to drop his greataxe.

Can a creature make a slam or claw attack when both
his hands are used for something else, such as holding a
two-handed weapon?
As long as the creature can easily let go with one hand, yes.
A two-handed weapon requires two hands to wield in combat,
but not to hold. A frost giant could choose to make a slam
attack instead of a greataxe attack without having to drop the
greataxe.
...
双手武器切成单手拿着是自由,但是拿着切回双手还是没提…

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Re: 单手换双手以及双手换单手到底是什么动作?
« 回帖 #4 于: 2024-07-17, 周三 23:21:09 »
松手是自由动作。如果一只空手去和另一只持械手共同装备武器看作是拔出/捡起武器的话,那就移动动作。
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Re: 单手换双手以及双手换单手到底是什么动作?
« 回帖 #5 于: 2024-07-27, 周六 11:44:36 »
实际上SCP有一条贤者问答指出仍旧是自由动作,但国内圈子更早之前就意识到这样会引起动作经济学的漏洞,所以普遍房规用移动动作来弥补这个漏洞

两者当然都没有强制力,取决于DM怎么想
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Re: 单手换双手以及双手换单手到底是什么动作?
« 回帖 #6 于: 2024-07-27, 周六 19:58:10 »
不止动作经济学的问题,也是会让武器姿势及类似资源尴尬。我能施法时双手切单手满足姿势条件再砍,我为什么要花专长。

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Re: 单手换双手以及双手换单手到底是什么动作?
« 回帖 #7 于: 2024-07-27, 周六 21:22:28 »
没事,双手不要我们双武器要(

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Re: 单手换双手以及双手换单手到底是什么动作?
« 回帖 #8 于: 2024-07-28, 周日 00:13:05 »
       子虚不是说2个都是自由吗

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Re: 单手换双手以及双手换单手到底是什么动作?
« 回帖 #9 于: 2024-07-28, 周日 22:44:37 »
CM那个武器姿势就是假装资源的判例,是专门来给玩家添堵用的
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