純美蘋果園
TRPG討論區 => 研討區 => 4版 討論區 => 主题作者是: 密云不雨 于 2011-06-08, 周三 11:04:29
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目标:最大化核心技能:Twin Strike,的伤害。
方法:游侠兼盗贼
优点:1.通过盗贼拿到了弩攻击+1和Far shot.
2.扮演和技能挑战方面,通过盗贼的技能扩展了人物的本职技能。个人以为,纯游侠的本职技能简直就是给木头人设计的。
3.辅助威能,游侠,盗贼很多都是相通的,扩展了选择范围。
4.放弃偷袭,专注双射;偷袭伤害潜力没法和双射+标记相比。
====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
Kat, level 10
Human, Ranger|Rogue
Hybrid Ranger: Hybrid Ranger Reflex
Hybrid Talent: Rogue Combat Talent
Rogue Combat Talent: Sharpshooter Talent (Hybrid)
Sharpshooter Talent (Hybrid): Sharpshooter Talent (Crossbow)
Human Power Selection: Bonus At-Will Power
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 10, Dex 22, Int 8, Wis 13, Cha 15.
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 10, Con 10, Dex 18, Int 8, Wis 13, Cha 13.
AC: 23 Fort: 16 Reflex: 24 Will: 18
HP: 67 Surges: 6 Surge Value: 16
TRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +16, Nature +11, Streetwise +12, Bluff +12, Perception +11, Stealth +16, Thievery +16
UNTRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +4, Diplomacy +7, Dungeoneering +6, Endurance +5, Heal +6, History +4, Insight +6, Intimidate +7, Religion +4, Athletics +5
FEATS
Human: Hybrid Talent
Level 1: Weapon Proficiency (Superior crossbow)
Level 2: Speed Loader
Level 4: Weapon Focus (Crossbow)
Level 6: Hunter's Aim
Level 8: Lethal Hunter
Level 10: Shadow Initiate
POWERS
Bonus At-Will Power: Twin Strike
Hybrid at-will 1: Riposte Strike
Hybrid at-will 1: Careful Attack
Hybrid encounter 1: Two-Fanged Strike
Hybrid daily 1: Split the Tree
Hybrid utility 2: Fleeting Ghost
Hybrid encounter 3: Flattening Shot
Hybrid daily 5: Lurker's Assault
Hybrid utility 6: Practiced Rider
Hybrid encounter 7: Spikes of the Manticore
Hybrid daily 9: Not It
Hybrid utility 10: Quick Recovery
ITEMS
Leather Armor, Superior crossbow
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要最大化请兼Clr进早晨老大拿冰刀石点Lasting Frost然后各种抱大腿.
另外贼的SA用好了也是双打, 还带调整, 比双打强, 怎可能比不过双打.
这跳过了所有好用遭遇的power selection是怎么回事.
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好像是很朴素的双游混职……
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这卡既点不出called shot也不能躲猫猫太伤了,以及属性为神马要点cha。双游混起来可能还是双刀比较彪爽,毕竟次要打出得早
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要混贼至少点Cunning而不是那个+1...(wis+3)*2怎么也比这+1多.
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要最大化请兼Clr进早晨老大拿冰刀石点Lasting Frost然后各种抱大腿.
另外贼的SA用好了也是双打, 还带调整, 比双打强, 怎可能比不过双打.
这跳过了所有好用遭遇的power selection是怎么回事.
跑过的团都是5级以下的,看来我的思维还是停在英雄层。
单就英雄层来说,2d8的偷袭伤害,怎么看也比不上1d8的标的+第2次武器伤害啊。
power选择有些随意,只是尽量选多次攻击的威能,来加伤害。
要混贼至少点Cunning而不是那个+1...(wis+3)*2怎么也比这+1多.
那个cunning sneak的利用貌似仍然很受地形的限制。
还有这个伤害加感调的规则。。。果真有这么好的东东吗。
这卡既点不出called shot也不能躲猫猫太伤了,以及属性为神马要点cha。双游混起来可能还是双刀比较彪爽,毕竟次要打出得早
原来觉得感调没多大用,魅调反而扮演要好一些。called shot每击+5的伤害,看来确实比偷袭高多了。
Called Shot
Paragon Tier
Prerequisite: 11th level, Prime Shot class feature
Benefit: Whenever you successfully hit a target against whom you received your Prime Shot bonus, your attack deals an additional 5 damage.
Published in Dragon Magazine Annual 2009, Dragon Magazine 368, page(s) 58
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你可以试试双刺链的str/dex的软炸混贼。。。
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真要近战双刀的话我感觉还是力敏战/游进剑圣以及力感游侠/符文牧进早晨最朴实。两个build典范都不用额外mc,一个有下雨打一个有感知直断miss然后多一个感知伤害……
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第二个要额外吃甲的feat
菜刀软其实没那么多梗啦,直接PHB1的Stormwarden拉过来就很强了,要凑奶就混个政委神马的,也有Hail of Steel这种伪多打可拿
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求教什么是“早晨老大”?。。。
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求教什么是“早晨老大”?。。。
Forgotten Realms Player's Guide里的典范Morninglord
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第二个要额外吃甲的feat
游侠符文牧直接hybrid talent就拿鳞甲了……混职符文掉的是符文大师特性,属性伤害还是在的~~
倒是混了政委才要额外学甲……
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第二个要额外吃甲的feat
游侠符文牧直接hybrid talent就拿鳞甲了……混职符文掉的是符文大师特性,属性伤害还是在的~~
倒是混了政委才要额外学甲……
说得hybrid talent不是feat一样,str/dex混政委+革甲根本就不用额外学甲
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都力敏了干嘛不战士orz。显然还是先顾伤害吧……而且游侠政委似乎没有很好用的pp?
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都力敏了干嘛不战士orz。显然还是先顾伤害吧……而且游侠政委似乎没有很好用的pp?
鼓伤害混战士还不如纯软炸呢,一般兼一下就够,政委多一次Word而且power比神棍好吃多了
PP的话刚健朴实Stormwarden啊
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主感知半精灵战士拿游侠双打进地下斗士
其他威能就靠dssc的主题全换成感知的 @@
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主感知半精灵战士拿游侠双打进地下斗士
其他威能就靠dssc的主题全换成感知的 @@
地下斗士老早被勘过了
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主感知半精灵战士拿游侠双打进地下斗士
其他威能就靠dssc的主题全换成感知的 @@
地下斗士老早被勘过了
可恶 只对应战士和地下斗士 @@
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都力敏了干嘛不战士orz。显然还是先顾伤害吧……而且游侠政委似乎没有很好用的pp?
鼓伤害混战士还不如纯软炸呢,一般兼一下就够,政委多一次Word而且power比神棍好吃多了
PP的话刚健朴实Stormwarden啊
好吧这个是爱好问题了。我是考虑到多打,混战士进剑圣显然比stormwarden打得多,而且有下雨打~~
符文的好处是治疗之后两轮时间加伤害,11级就+4哦。
另外我总觉得混职游侠拿天赋应该去拿突袭风格的双武防御而不是双武战斗拿坚韧……
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加血加伤害的那个得有大师特性才有效,混出来的符文牧要出天赋feat拿的
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请进阶darkstriker等,长期hide拿CA,SA伤害怎么敢无视……
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请进阶darkstriker等,长期hide拿CA,SA伤害怎么敢无视……
这个在拿到concealment甲之前好像非常悲剧。。。
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你们就知道Darkstrider...一点都不了解软炸各种imm的风情...
:em001
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刚健朴实Battlefield Archer...
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加血加伤害的那个得有大师特性才有效,混出来的符文牧要出天赋feat拿的
这个说错了哦。挨打/miss加伤害是rune artistry特性,混职就有。
要靠天赋拿的是rune master,就是相邻自己的队友获得bonus的那个……
所以混职符文直接拿盔甲就好了,简洁明了。
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你自己不是在夸混职符文的加血么,那个遭遇加血上伤害有符文关键字,得有大师特性才出得来加伤害
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你自己不是在夸混职符文的加血么,那个遭遇加血上伤害有符文关键字,得有大师特性才出得来加伤害
唔,这个是有争议的部分,于是正好顺便问下。
我的理解,符文大师特性就是后面写明了的队友相邻敌人ab+1/邻接队友获得抗力。至于前面的选符文以及rune state只是描述部分。理由是P100左下的"The runic keyword"边栏里面说了,只要威能带符文字,就可以挑一个符文进入state。
所以按我的理解,混职符文牧没符文大师特性,使用符文威能时一样可以选择特定符文产生效果(也就是说符文效果是由runic关键字决定的,而不是符文大师特性)。而且本来符文牧已经不强了,要是混职连威能性能都发生变化,感觉很诡异。
湿妹你说的一定要rune master才能产生效果,有官方的说明么?
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RUNEPRIEST CLASS FEATURES
RUNE MASTER
Some of your powers have the runic keyword. When you are going to use a runic power, you first choose one of the runes noted in the power—either the rune of destruction or the rune of protection—and then use the power, applying the chosen rune’s effects. The moment you choose the rune, you enter its rune state. You remain in that rune state until you enter another rune state or until the end of the encounter. Whenever you enter the rune state of the rune of destruction or the rune of protection, you gain an additional benefit. The benefit lasts while you’re in the rune state.
Rune of Destruction
Allies gain a +1 bonus to attack rolls against enemies that are adjacent to you or to any other runepriests who are in this rune state.
Rune of Protection
While adjacent to you, allies gain resist 2 to all damage. The resistance increases to 4 at 11th level and 6 at 21st level.
既然是个CLASS FEATURES,你没有就是用不来
牧文牧配上某些职业还是不错的,当然没亲儿子政委那么牛叉就是了
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Rune of Destruction
Allies gain a +1 bonus to attack rolls against enemies that are adjacent to you or to any other runepriests who are in this rune state.
Rune of Protection
While adjacent to you, allies gain resist 2 to all damage. The resistance increases to 4 at 11th level and 6 at 21st level.
既然是个CLASS FEATURES,你没有就是用不来
我的理解就是,用不来的就是上面这个部分……
以下的部分跟rune master的class feature是没直接联系的……还是可以正常用。
THE RUNIC KEYWORD
When you are going to use a runic power, you first choose
one of the runes noted in the power and then use the
power, applying the chosen rune's effects. The moment
you choose the rune, you enter its rune state. You remain
in that rune state until you enter another rune state or
until the end of the encounter.
RUNE MAGIC
(前略)
When you use a runic power, you choose one of the
runic alphabets with which to empower your prayers,
often tracing a rune in the air as you use a power. Your
choice of runic alphabet alters the workings of the power.
Using runes of protection might enhance the power's
bonus to defense, whereas using runes of destruction
boosts its damage.
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又及:RC的P119,里面说明了Runic关键字。Choose first;Rune state,这两个效果可没说一定要符文大师特性……
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我去问下客服
主要是大师的特性里前面XXXX提了一大段,他只要那两个效果的话只要这么写就行
Whenever you enter the rune state of the rune of destruction or the rune of protection, you gain an additional benefit. The benefit lasts while you’re in the rune state.
所以这就很容易引发争议
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关于符文牧师的问题, 同求答案,麻烦桑特大大了!